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What size was Marilyn Monroe? A Times journalist tries on her clothes.

As I tentatively tried to coerce my way into the Some Like It Hot dress, Valerie Nelson, the woman charged with caring for the pieces in the Jersey exhibition, talked me through Monroe’s body shape. Monroe was 5ft 5in (I’m an inch shorter); just over eight stone (I’m ¾ of a stone heavier); she had a respectable BMI of 21 (don’t ask). She had an incredibly narrow back and rib cage but big boobs, so if she were to pop into Rigby & Peller for a bra fitting today she would probably be a 30E.

She didn’t have a long body, and although her legs were a lovely shape (beautiful bony ankles and knees) they weren’t particularly long. She had a very short rise (the distance from waist to crotch), but what made her body so extraordinary was the 13-inch difference between her breast and hip measurements and her waist. In her younger years her vital statistics would have come in at 36 23 35, and although her weight fluctuated throughout her career, she always maintained that out-of-this-world body ratio. A real life Jessica Rabbit.

Nelson tells me that they had to get a special mould made for the corset and swimwear dummies in the exhibition because Monroe was such an extreme hourglass shape that no off-the-peg dummies existed in those measurements. The Some Like It Hot dress just about zips up on me – which is pretty mortifying, considering I had always thought of her Sugar phase as a gloriously plump one.

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I hate to nitpick, but no museum costume curator would let people try on historically important and irreplaceable garments. The potential for permanent damage (strained seams, rips, sweat/fatty acids from the skin) is too great - in fact they should be handled carefully with gloves and not touched directly at all!

Taking off my aspiring curator hat, I can't blame this journalist for taking the opportunity, and since the costume is in a private collection its up to the collector how he treats his precious artefacts.

But it does make me wince!

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My parents once met Marilyn Monroe, when she was briefly married to Joe DiMaggio. My mother was always amused when Marilyn was described as "plus size". She did indeed, Mom said, have a very large test but seemed tiny to her (and Mom was a size 6).

What surprised both my parents was how shy she seemed, and yet she also seemed quite bright, intellectual. And, sadly, Dad always thought she and Joe D. seemed very much in love.

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With those measurements she would never be able to find RTW that would fit her; I have no doubt all of her clothes were custom made!

Arabella said...

I don't think Trevira is nit-picking; I was wailing in horror at the thought of that tearing sound! For me it's like someone setting a cup of tea on top of a first edition.
Marilyn was luvverly all over but I'm especially fond of her legs in 'Let's Make Love', bless 'er.

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I was expecting a lot of grief from people telling me what a spoil sport I was, so thanks to Arabella for backing me up! I'm only thinking of the future survival of iconic garments that not only we would love to see and enjoy, but perhaps our children and grandchildren.

It was gratifying to learn that Marilyn was not simply a 'plus size' figure (as if!), but had an extraordinary and unusual figure, as many women who slip through the gaps of 'standard sizes' frequently do.

Her figure was a evidently a big factor in her initial breakthrough, but was merely an additional attraction when considering her beauty, charisma, star quality and acting talent (Bus Stop is a favourite of mine).

The standard measure for a 'beautiful figure' used to be at least 10 inches difference from bust to waist, and waist to hips, and she certainly exceeded that. Very few women these days come anywhere close (me included).

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Well I certainly did, when I was very young. My measurements weren't much different from hers, but looking at pics of her and me at 18 or so, she seemed much more delicate.I had the tiny waist, but looked much more lusty peasant girl.

Alas, the plot has thickened with age, and it is hard not to look dumpy when one is short and busty - unforgiving if one puts on any weight. Though I guess there are worse things than looking like the Queen...

And I also agree with Trevira, as would anyone who has had anything to do with historical conservation.

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I see young women today still trying for this 'nightstand with the top drawer pulled out' shape, with breast implants that make the bust large for the ribcage and hips. It's still telegraphs desirability (and fertility.)

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Duchesse, Marilyn had the proportional hips (as did I, at my young slimmest).

The weird thing now is big boobs with just a boyish straight shape below. Some of us have this for about 6 months at the age of 12, but it is one of those bizarre things that happen at puberty.

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She was lovely. And I see that "curvy" is in.

When "the Susan Boyle body" is in some of us will really cheer!

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Marilyn didn't have a big bust! Just take a look at topless photos of her taken by Bert Stern just before her death in June, 1962. She's fairly average - even a bit on the small side. I assume that when wearing more upholstered clothes she had added a fair amount of padding. It appears to me that she didn't have an unusual figure at all - which I guess is good news for women.

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